Friday, May 12, 2006

Unjust Tal Law Upheld

Most of you probably are unfamiliar with the Tal Law in Israel. Well, in a nutshell, it means that Ultra-Orthodox (Hareidi) yeshiva boys are exempted from having to serve in the military because, well, because they need to sit in yeshiva and study the meaning of life, of course!

Ynet News - The High Court of Justice's decision not to cancel the Tal Law enabling yeshiva students to defer military service sparked harsh responses in the IDF. Although senior officers were cautious not to publicly criticize the ruling, even IDF Chief of Staff Major-General Dan Halutz was unable to hold back his disapproval .

"There is no reason why my children should serve, but others won't serve at all," Halutz said during a conference of the Office of Trade and Industry in Be'er Sheva.
The Hareidi don't work, don't serve in the IDF, and live like welfare whores sucking hundreds of millions of dollars from the tax payers every year. Being a good Jew does not mean living as a shnorer sitting around all day in chevrusas with your hands out. Maimonides was a physician, as was Nachmanides, while Rashi was a prominent vintner, to just name a few that somehow did pretty well for themselves in their Jewish studies.

Yet, despite doing nothing but argue over halachic minutias all day long for as long as they live, I see none of these shtetel boys coming out of the yeshivas of Israel offering the world anything remotely as significant as what these great scholars accomplished while holding demanding professions.

The jig is up, leaches. Join the army, get a job, quit selling political favors for money, and stop being such a drain against the outer world you work so hard to live isolated from. You are disgracing Torah.

-MZ

24 comments:

  1. My adice is cut them off. As long as their getting paid to not work or join the army, they will sit there with their hands out waiting for payola.

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  2. kahaneloyalist5/12/2006 9:37 AM

    The reason the Supreme Court upheld this law is not that they think Jews should be learning full time, besides which the numbers learning full time are actually negligable as a proportion of the nation as a whole, but rather there are huge numbers of Seculars who take exemptions. In fact the number of Chilonim taking exemptions far outnumbers the number of Daatim who dont serve.

    MZ, in the Gemara Succos there is a debate between Rebbe Yishmael and Rebbe Shimon Bar Yochai. Rebbe Yishmael held that Jews should wrok, Rebbe Shimon Bar Yochai held that Jews should not work, but only learn Torah. The Halacha follows Rebbe Yishmael with a loophole. Rebbe Yishmael himslef rules that if someone is like Rebbe Shimon Bar Yochai they should not work but learn full time.

    In the Gemara Sanhedrin we learn that in the time of the Monarchy when the Jewish army would go out to fight a the same number of people would be learning as would be fighting.

    What do we learn from this? That some people should learn full time and they are doing Benai Yisrael a service for the elite to learn full time. Admittedly this should be a small number of the elite. But it is not a inherently wrong thing to do.

    Interestingly enough even among modern Tzadikim had jobs. Rav Kaduri zt'l worked as a bookbinder his whole life. The Lubavitcher Rebbe was a engineer. Rav Kahanti worked as a accountant his whole life.

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  3. the merry widow5/12/2006 9:44 AM

    G*D never said work was lesser to anything, Adam and Eve were put in the Garden to work, to me that means honorable work is sacred and if it is sacred we should do work!

    tmw

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  4. Defense is everyone's job including the religious. I am less concerned about the religious in Israel then the treasonous far left.

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  5. Well said, Beak. My sentiments exactly.

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  6. KL, the point you make is that it shouldn't be the duty of am yisroel to pay for every hareidi child's lifelong learning. Perhaps a tiny, tiny fraction of Jews, not just hareidi, mind you, deserve to be paid to learn. That would eliminate 99% of the hareidi welfare state, and make things right with Torahn once again.

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  7. I think this one is a tough call. Certainly, people should be welcome to learn full-time if they can afford it, but otherwise, most could probably benefit from having a regular job as well. At the same time, though, Israel could be deriving great spiritual benefit from those who learn full time, even if we don't always realize it.

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  8. Israel needs leaders in the spiritual sense which is a good thing but those who capitulate to those secularists to defame and destroy Israel are obviously horrible in every sense of the word and should be made to live with the moslem vermin

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  9. I'm not an Israeli, but I know what it feels like to have my tax dollars transferred into the pockets of lazy ingrates.

    Put'em to work. If they don't want to fight in the IDF, let them cook and clean for the IDF. Change them from freeloaders into share-croppers. Use them as maintenence workers, or any other low paying profession that employs wogs. Kill two birds with one stone.

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  10. It seems like Judaism could use a movement like medieval christian monasticism. Anyone wants to sit around and study scripture all day, go live like a hermit and don't bother the rest of us.

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  11. Surfer, the Hareidi living off the Israeli taxpayers from cradle to grave are not adding to Israel's spirituality; they are diminishing it. Nothing has caused more resentment and hostility towards being religious than the example of the shnorer hareidim taking their money, dodging the draft, and refusing to get a job.

    -MZ

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  12. MZ

    If you get a chance visit AOW the Duck is now certified. He claims that the Koran is poetic . If the dolt knew his #$#$ from this elbow he would know the Semitic language structure lends itself to poetry. Moreover he would know the Torah is sung with musical notes. More borrowing from Jewish culture by the Sons of Allah.

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  13. kahaneloyalist5/13/2006 10:46 PM

    MZ, the Chilonim always hated the Torah, why do you think the Sephardim aren't religious? They were Torah Jews for two thousand years in the Galut. What happened is that when the entered Eretz Yisrael in the 1950's their children were put into institutions like HaShomer HaTzair were their Torah was ripped from them. This was done from the top down by Chiloni society.

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  14. It is tragic how so many Dati were turned Chiloni AFTER making aliya. One would think it should be the other way around, but, alas, State of Israel has followed the French model of radical liberalism and is paying the price.

    I'm not calling for the Chiloni to be persecuted or expelled, but I sure am calling for the end of the persecution of the religious Zionists and nationalists.

    The real tragedy of the alliance between the leftwing secularists and the corrupt hareidi is that the true tzadiks, those of Yesha, have been the ones to face the harshest of persecutions as a result.

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  15. kahaneloyalist5/14/2006 1:03 AM

    Rabbi Kahane spoke often of the persecutions suffered by the Sephardim in Eretz Yisrael check out the specj Kahane addressing Jewish community on this web site http://kahane.hostultra.com/

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  16. Kahane was a terrorist, his party was banned because of this, and he is now just a forgotten trivia question of a movement that was defeated by enlightened minds.

    Only the tiniest number of disturbed zealots give him any attention whatsoever. No surprise to see that element here.

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  17. As I see it, it's not a bad thing to be granted a deferment, provided alternate service is done (Jeff mentioned this). But as you describe the Hareidi, they are just sitting around and living off the fat of the land. That's wrong! Others are putting it on their line for the preservation of Israel while the Hareidi are studying "the meaning of life." That last sounds like some counterculturalists (hippies) I know; the leaches I know are living off their parents, even at the age of 35+. What kind of contribution is THAT?

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  18. the merry widow5/14/2006 8:23 AM

    Ya'll are right! Even the monastic orders did there own farming, weaving, animal husbandry, building and repairs! They considered physical labor to be just as holy as study and prayer! And as necessary for spiritual growth. If the Hareidi were doing something like caring for the injured, doing clerical work and things of that nature, they would by contributing a valuable service and earn respect!
    On a happier note- Happy and Blessed Mothers Day to all Moms! May your day be loving, blessed and beautiful!

    tmw

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  19. kahaneloyalist5/14/2006 9:11 AM

    no one does more CHesed then the Charedim, they run most of the Tzedaka organizations in the country particularly the medical Tzedaka organizations.

    Dana, I know your a leftists goy so truth is a concept that gives you trouble, but at least make a effort to use lies that arent so easy to disprove. The Israeli government banned Rabbi Kahane becauuse he followed the Torah, thats the official government since the parts of the Torah he quoted says Goyim arent equal to Jews and are to be treated as such. You can't name one act of Terrorism he or his party performed. Though his influence among the Torah Jews, who will soon be all Jews, remains strong most Torah Jews have accepted his Hashkafa though few are active.

    I did get a laugh from your enlightened comment though. I guess we have to destroy Democracy to save it. Classic Leftist.

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  20. Dana, is a terrorist anybody who opposes marxism? Just curious.

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  21. as long as she doesn't start her own blog...btw we are now linked to you!

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  22. Another Infidel5/15/2006 5:28 AM

    OT - If this is true, W is a bigger fool and traitor than I thought:
    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/story?id=1894152&page=1

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  23. Unforgiveble mistake, but with reports of other govt f#ckups it sounds like them to me. How can you hold W responsible for some clerical error from pinheads in accounting?

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