Wednesday, July 30, 2008

Fan Mail

Every once in awhile MZ gets an absolutely prescious email from a virulent anti-Semite. Check this beauty out from Ben:

bennyblue@sbcglobal.net writes: My question is to you filthy scum is WHY are you not in the military fighting for israel?

Chicken? I said that I would never vote for a Nigger but I will vote for Obama BECAUSE he will destroy the zionist filth and crush Wall Street scum. HURRAY!

Happy Trails Numbnuts,

Ben

The use of the "N" word makes it unlikely he's humanist liberal, so, hmmm... what is he? I know I'm putting my money on this gem being a card carrying, dyed-in-the-wool, National Socialist. Still a leftist, yes, but more the Pat Buchanan style lefty than the Jimmy Carter varietal, though the differences are more semantic than substantive.

Ben, so nice of you to send me an email. I'm sure I speak for all people of sound mind when I offer prayers that you have the good fortune of someday acquiring the sanity and sense to become a worthwhile human being.

-MZ

18 comments:

  1. I was expecting the Olmert news to be leading today.

    You are using left/right in a ridiculous way. The terms have no meaning anyways.

    I can top your letter. I have an Islamist death threat letter.

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  2. I was expecting the Olmert news to be leading today.

    Look one post down, Ren.

    You are using left/right in a ridiculous way. The terms have no meaning anyways.

    If the terms have no meaning than my way of using it is no more ridiculous than any other. Point being, in the way we conventionally define "right" vs "left", I am "right" and this buffoon is "left".

    I can top your letter. I have an Islamist death threat letter.

    You should post it. Exposing and ridiculing the scum is the best way to deal with them.

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  3. Ren: I'll be at urs in a sec. I want to get in on that one...

    MZ: Pat Buchanan is as right as they get. Right is not always good just like "Left" is not always bad.

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  4. Common misconception, Eitan. Actually, Buchanan is leftwing on economics and foreign policy, right wing on social issues. He's what's known as a National Socialist, or authoritarian leftist. He actually has more in common with Stalin than the GOP.

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  5. MZ,

    High five on calling Pat Spew-cannon on his leftism.

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  6. High five back at ya, Mr. B. Check out the Kahane vid I just posted. It will impress you tremendously.

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  7. Your categorisation of this idiot as National Socialist and even more ridiculously ergo left is based on nothing whatsoever. You don't know that with any degree of certainty, yet feel a deep need to convince yourself that this guy must be on the left, because, heaven forbid, that you would find someone on the far right that turns out to be an anti-Semite.

    Point being, in the way we conventionally define "right" vs "left", I am "right" and this buffoon is "left".

    "... the way we conventionally define "right" vs "left" [...]": you mean the way you arbitrarily and self-servingly dole out those judgments of yours?

    To go and argue that National Socialism is somehow leftist is simply ludicrous and a sad attempt to finger the wrong guys. Also, go and tell it [that they are leftists] to the many Neonazis that still operate on the fringes in the US and Europe: they'd sooner smash up your face than tell you just how virulently rightwing they are.

    Every ideology has its share of bad apples: to assume that someone is a leftist simply because he's an anti-Semite is to assume that the rightwing hasn't got its fair share of anti-Semitic nutcases. Trust me, it has...

    As regards your objectivity and fairness of judgment, let me remind you that until recently I was blogrolled here as "Marxist treif" (whatever treif is supposed to mean). Anyone who knows me even only a little would never believe I was anything near that. In American parlance a centrist Democrat probably: if all those people in your eyes are Marxists then you're really lost your conkers...

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  8. MZ, I hate those semantics games. PB is a bigot but he doesn't advocate massive state control on the economy. Calling a classic Roman Catholic bigot like him a Stalinist is BS. He is more like General Franco or Tudjman.

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  9. Gert, read up on National Socialism. It perfectly defines the clown who wrote the letter to me, and is by definition an economically socialist, socially racist, xenophobic, authoritarian state.

    Like I said, he and Buchanan share much more in common with Stalin than Antonin Scalia.

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  10. Jakester, Buchanan advocates a protectionist state. He is vehemently anti free trade/free market. Regulation is his middle name.

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  11. Madze:

    If your purpose is to come up with nasty names you can call those you oppose, then simply call Pat Buchanan a Nazi and be done with it. Beware though that incorrect use of such terms for the purpose of trying to be offensive has one enormous drawback: erosion of language and the loss of meaning of once powerful and precise terms. To try and equate Pat Buchanan with the executioners of roughly half of European Jewry is as OTT as it gets. You've been reading Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" is my guess... and that's just a smear book, nothing more.... (I think he should stick to colouring books, personally).

    Regulation is his middle name

    Wow. European economies are by and large more regulated than the American economy; does that make all of us fascists too? And anyone who after the Great Depression, several other accidents and incidents later and now lately Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, still believes that the market regulates itself perfectly and always, will also have to accept economic cataclysms that can affect the lives of millions of Americans in the most perilous of ways. Almost nobody is calling for a command economy, not here and not over at yours. Neither is PB (I don't much care for him but that's not my point). But market regulation in the US will inevitably increase, that's the lesson from economic history: that planned economies have to loosen up to survive and free markets need some degree of dampening to avoid horrific 'boom and bust' scenarios. This is not an ideological viewpoint, merely a pragmatic one.

    You're making very flimsy analogies and presenting them as Holy Truths...

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  12. If your purpose is to come up with nasty names you can call those you oppose, then simply call Pat Buchanan a Nazi and be done with it.

    Gert, you seem to be having a conversation with somebody else that doesn't remotel;y pertain to this thread.

    Staying on topic, the hate mail I received was from someone who uses the term NIGGER and hates Jews and Wall Street. I consider his socialism combined with racial hatred the perfect combination for National Socialism, and you have yet to come up with a cogent argument to the contrary...

    Stop hyper-defending the left and srart using your head.

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  13. The point remains that you consider this guy a National Socialist and on the left at the same time. National Socialism (which by and large doesn't exist anymore) isn't left: the remnants of that 'movement' [cough!], the Neonazis, are very, very firmly on the rightwing of the spectrum. Many there are anti-Semites, go ask Bacon Eating Atheist Jew, who argues with those nutcases almost everyday.

    I myself could give plenty of examples of run ins I've had with such people, notably over anti-Semitism: to deny that these guys are rightwing fascists would be nonsense and as I said before, they'd sooner kick your head in than listen to you (or me). These guys all consider me (and BEAJ) either "Marxists", "Communists", "Stalinists" etc etc, merely because they hate our guts and because they despise anything that left of centre.

    As regards the NIGGER thingy, are you trying to tell me that there is no racism on the right side of the spectrum? In that case you've become a reality denier...

    Have it your way, anyroads...

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  14. Gert, what label would you use on someone who is bigoted, hates free trade, is fiercely nationalist, and wants the government to guarantee jobs and a living wage for citizens of his own country?

    I happen to believe "national socialist" works best, but if that bothers because you are a socialist and don't want your name associated with this movement just create your own term and run with it.

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  15. I hate to disappoint (again) you but I'm not a socialist...

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  16. I hate to disappoint (again) you but I'm not a socialist...

    Mazel tov!!

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  17. See what you've made me do now? Look something [Mazel Tov] up on the Tinkerwebs... But can the notoriously leftwing (crypto leninist-stalinist-trotskyite) Wikipedia be trusted with the translation? Thanks anyway.

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  18. I think you're safe on that one, Gert. Yasher koach!

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