Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Rare post about American politics

Obama's candidacy is essentially over. The confirmed reports about his pro-infanticide voting record, to the left of even NARAL, is now hitting the American media with full force.



It's over. You don't get elected with a record of supporting infanticide. McCain will be the next President of the United states of America.

-MZ

62 comments:

  1. don't kick hitlery to the curb just yet, madze - she's just a female version of hussein obamunist. i hear they'll sneak her in if at all possible and that will be a resounding moment for those who wish a minority/woman in office. it won't matter what they believe. it's all part of the "delusion".

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  2. face it - they both support infanticide and the twinkle-toe vote - and we know the few have the many by the shorthairs...

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  3. Whenever I tell an Obamaton about their boy voting to allow the practice of delivering a live viable baby then killing it snf calling it "pro choice" all they say is....

    "well this isn't a one issue election!"

    Obama could be caught snorting coke off of a gay prostitute in the back of a limo and he still wouldn't lose his core supporters.

    Oh yeah that already happened...

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  4. madze - howz the hurricane treating you? tmw's in the brunt of it - please pray for her and her family.

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  5. MZ is just fine, Nanc. Thanks. I hope TMW is well.

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  6. Nanc, the issue with Obama is live birth and murder of new born babies, not even the traditional abortion issue. When Hillary, Kennedy, Boxer, Kerry, and the rest of the radicals on the left even support banning live birth killing, but Obama does not, then he falls to a level that is unelectable.

    Between his support of the black separatist movement and being a proponent of infanticide, well, it's over for him. He can't win no matter who he's up against.

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  7. Hammer, cultist Obamaton followers cannot be dissuaded from blindly fawning over Obama regardless of his actions. However, they are a minority within a minority. He will lose if that's all he's got.

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  8. Madze:

    I'm a little tempted to do a Kuhnkat here (uncontrollable laughter, minus the "you m*r*n" bit).

    You don't seriously believe that this latest smear campaign(ette) will significantly impact on the outcome of the election, do you? There'll be far worse smearing before Nov. comes and from both sides too, but it's not likely to affect the outcome all that much. Smear v. counter-smear v. counter-counter-smear v. counter-counter-counter-smear, in an endless and mindlessly boring palindrome...

    Why can't you guys just play nice, huh? ;)

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  9. Gert, is exposing someone's voting record and criticizing it now considered a smear? I thought that was how honest and fair campaigns were supposed to be conducted.

    Obama has hit the iceburg and his his ship is taking water fast. He's now down by 5 points in the polls, a reversal of over 12 points in the past 4 weeks!

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  10. gert - is it NOT okay to spell out moron in twinkieland?

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  11. By the time Obama must answer why he's claimed to chair two Senate committees that he's not even a member of, and why he claimed to work with Senator McCain to pass the Campaign Finance Reform Act (which passed 2 years before Obama was a Senator), and why the retro-Communists of Russia are spinning the global reaction to their invasion of Georgia as a tactic to get John McCain elected, we may just get around to asking why he supports infanticide.

    Behold the end of leftism in American politics.

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  12. When people reduce a complicated issue to reductionist and emotive terms like "infanticide", then clearly that's an attempt at smearing. And that's allowed, no problem. But please don't try and pass it for "genuine critiquing", because it's not.

    As regards tanking in the polls, what poll? Yours or mine (lol)?

    My bet is still that he'll win (fairly marginally) and that this issue will go away, unless the Iwanians pull another Carter-stunt or something like that. McCain isn't endorsing it [the "infanticide" thingy], even though he may marginally benefit from it...

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  13. The poll in question here would be neither of your's, unless either of you are called Zogby. No? I didn't think so. Obama's going down like a democrat intern!!!

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  14. The Bush Machine has registered every voter they have. McCain has never gone beyond 45%. Obama has most of the indy voters, and electoral votes.

    McCain was impotent on the Georgia crisis. He fell into Putin's trap. The more bellicose the rhetoric, the weaker the US looked.

    Who is this independent voter, who will determine the election? Unsure who they want, Obama or McCain? This voter is a moron. They don't know anything about politics or care. The ads don't matter, because they don't listen to them anyway.

    Roe vs Wade will never be overturned with a Republican in power. Nothing would split the party more. In additions Republicans don't want to go to Mexico for abortions.

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  15. Politics is nothing BUT an endless game of smear the queer, asswipe!

    Just wait until that fudge-packer Hussein get hits with his Larry Sinclair moment the week before Holloween. The look on his face will be priceless!

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  16. gert - just WHAT do you call the useless deaths of nearly 50 million BABIES?

    in naziland they called the senseless killing of innocent individuals something similar, yes?

    could be why this nation is being inundated with nearly 50 million illegals...

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  17. Gert,

    Complicated issue? Reductionist? Emotive?

    Babies are being latem-term aborted by inducing premature birth and abandoning them to die.

    The state of Illinois recognizes this and issues both birth and death certificates.

    If a live-birth abortion is not "infanticide," then what exactly is it?

    Complicated? Emotive? Reductionist?

    Are the words of the 20th Century leftist Adolf Hitler really that hard to understand? How about Mao? Stalin?

    Obama supports infanticide. How can you deny that?

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  18. country anal?

    YO SEMITE SAM!

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  19. madze - the left will eventually kill themselves off. unfortunately, many innocents will have to die for their cause.

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  20. Yo nanc!

    Looks like the same moonbats, only they're barking up different tree's. Some things never change.

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  21. Nanc:

    On the "moron" thingy: I was being respectful to Madze (try and read a little inter alea and keep your urge to jump to premature conclusions in check).

    "gert - just WHAT do you call the useless deaths of nearly 50 million BABIES?"

    Depends what "BABIES" you're referring to. I'm seriously opposed to late term abortions (although there are very few justifiable exceptions) but there are circumstances where early term termination should be an option, albeit always as a last resort.

    You want to consider the abortion issue as an absolute issue but unfortunately for your position, most of the mainstream accepts it's more nuanced than that.

    "in naziland they called the senseless killing of innocent individuals something similar, yes?"

    The connection between Nazis and abortion is one that only a fanatic or someone intent on sabotaging any attempt at reasonable debate would make. Connecting abortionists (your parlance, not mine) with the Nazis would justify executing said abortionists, would it not? Perhaps you would like to see that happen? An eye for an eye and all that...?

    And of course you could connect also the "evilutionists" with the Nazis, as early misinterpretations of Darwin's ideas led to the ridiculous (but dangerous) eugenics movement of which the Nazis were indeed proponents. Ben Stein does it quite explicitly in his "Expelled" brainfart.

    "could be why this nation is being inundated with nearly 50 million illegals..."

    Of course, of course, I've seen the light now. Leftards are encouraging the indigenous Americans to terminate their own offspring, so that it can be replaced with Latin American Co-ho-homunists, drug dealers, abortionists, illegals and assorted leftists. Pure genius! Pity so few of these Mexicans are Mooooslims, otherwise the Sharia take-over could be achieved in one fell swoop too. What will they think of next, I wonder?

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  22. Beamish:

    "If a live-birth abortion is not "infanticide," then what exactly is it?"

    A live-birth abortion is infanticide, of course.

    The trouble is that the pro-life movement constantly tries to associate the worst possible practice with abortions that can be perfectly justified. That's why this incident is an attempt at smearing: although Obama's position on abortion is a nuanced one which takes both sides of the argument into account, the smearers simply associate him with something that is indeed horrific. That's reductionist and it's done simply to try and lose him voters, not to shed some light on the matter. If your pro-life arguments held more water, you wouldn't have to resort to that kind of tactics...

    It also remains to be seen whether the account presented by nurse whatshername is a true account or whether it's been jazzed up a bit. The way she presents the case, I have serious difficulty believing that this is somehow representative of the US context.

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  23. Considering the FACT, that Margaret Sanger(the "mother" of planned "de"parenthood) was a favorite of hitler's...it IS a worthy comparison...
    Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!

    tmw(the soggy)

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  24. Gert, the only one "smearing" is Obama and his camp, who are trying to claim that this issue isn't about infanticide and then lying about his own record.

    Why can't this just be taken for what it is? Let me summarize:

    1. Unwanted, premature babies are born alive.

    2. The alive, unwanted babies are issued birth certificates.

    3. The unwanted, ailing babies are then carried to the soiled linens utility room where they are left alone to slowly die.

    4. The dead baby is issued a death certificate.

    5. Outraged nurses testify that this is infanticide, and presents a bill to the state assembly giving the alive baby the right to medical care.

    6. Barak Obama rejects this saying it would overturn Roe vs Wade. Chairs a committee opposing the right of living infants to receive medical care if the intent was for them to be aborted.

    7. After the senate unanimously approves the Born Alive Bill, giving all living infants the right to medical care, Obama votes against the exact same bill in the Illinois Senate. He is the sole speaker against the bill.

    What part of this is confusing? He is absolutely, positively pro-infanticide based on HIS OWN RECORD.

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  25. TMW, hope you are getting through this never ending storm without too much damage.

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  26. TMW:

    You don't get it, do you?

    For example, there's ample proof of collusion of high ranking Vatican officials, Pope included, with the Nazis, up to the point of actually facilitating the Holocaust. Read for instance David Kertzer's Unholy War - The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism and try and tell me how it's all concocted, the massive amount of meticulously presented Vatican archival material included in the book as well.

    Perhaps that "IS a worthy comparison" too? Perhaps I should conclude that Catholics were (implying of course "ARE") mainly Nazi-sympathizers, including those that are now fawning over "Obabykiller's" difficulties in shaking off the "infanticide" charge? Considering also that the Francists, mostly Catholic, many Opus Dei, had Nazi support then by your own feeble standards wouldn't you say my case would be almost complete?

    Yet I don't consider Catholics to be Nazis or to be connected to Nazi supporters, as little as I consider Obama to be an "infanticider".

    For every stooopid connection you want to bring up, I can put one up too (but far more cleverly than you). But all that proves little, if anything at all...

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  27. Madze:

    No amount of rationalising on your part will change the fact that the rightwing is trying to paint a picture of Obama as a child killer, when manifestly this isn't true.

    What's more, the occurrence of such extremely late term abortions and even fewer occasions where babies that survive botched ones, are very rare. That's not to say legal provisions for such case need not be made but your side is blowing up a mole heap into a veritable emotional mountain with assorted circus, for the sole purpose of painting Obama in the worst possible light. From (alleged) "lying over his voting record" to "he's a child killer", in the overheated conservative mind takes about 5 minutes to orchestrate by the puppet masters.

    If the Obama campaign plays this cleverly, they could easily turn the tables on this argument by exposing the lies that currently are being peddled on this issue in the Conservative rumour mill. Don't overdo it because you might regret it... McCain wisely seems to want to stay out of this fray.

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  28. Gert said: No amount of rationalising on your part will change the fact that the rightwing is trying to paint a picture of Obama as a child killer, when manifestly this isn't true.

    MZ says: Gert, the rationalizing proves that Obama manifestly is pro-infanticide based on HIS OWN RECORD. This isn't paint, this isn't inuendo or rumor, this isn't an unsubstanciated claim by someone with an ax to grind; it's the facts based on his own proven voting history. He is accountable, and holding him to the fire for his record is the right thing to do. When he lies about his own record it just makes it that much worse.

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  29. Gert said: "I'm seriously opposed to late term abortions (although there are very few justifiable exceptions) but there are circumstances where early term termination should be an option, albeit always as a last resort."

    So why have we then ended up with 50 million "last resorts"? That is the danger with having abortion legal. It will ALWAYS be used for convenience and not just for last resorts. It's a tool for the irresponsible to continue being irresponsible. Here's a lefty word for you -- it's an ENABLER.

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  30. madze - rationalizing with a leftist is akin to putting toothpaste back into the tube...member dat!

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  31. Madze:

    First they called him a Muslim (still today I receive some conservative newsletters along those lines), then he was "playing the race card", now he's a proponent of "infanticide". And you don't see a pattern emerging?

    Frankly, it's in the same league as of the rubbish peddled about McCain's "comfortable time as a POW". Disgusting rubbish.

    Papa Frank:

    "It will ALWAYS be used for convenience and not just for last resorts. It's a tool for the irresponsible to continue being irresponsible."

    Trouble is that most of the pro-life arguments aren't based on what is the right thing to do but based on religious grounds. Well, nothing wrong with that but "G-d told me so" doesn't impress me much. Most (well, all) of those arguments come from a time when we didn't know anything about the reproductive system of mammals. Now we know for a fact that even the most reproductive of couples inadvertently waste 99.9999 % of their reproductive potential, even without contraception.

    And what's with the 50 million number? Over what period of time? From what source? According to Wikipedia, the number seems to have stabilised at slightly below 1 million per year. Even over 30 years, that would be less than 30 million, not 50 million.

    Nancimpoop:

    I've never gotten a sensible or semi-intelligent word out of you in all that time. I don't expect that miracle to happen any time soon...

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  32. Obama's support for infanticide is ON the record and CLEAR. Killing newborns is PERFECTLY okay in Barack's book.

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  33. It would appear that Nurse Jill Stanek believes in the well known urban myth of Chinese cannibalism (of aborted foetuses no less, needless to say). Don't believe me, believe HER (from the horse's mouth).

    There isn't an ethnic group or other that hasn't at some point been accused of eating babies of course. For Jill Stanek to openly (on a blog) claim that she believes that Chinese Co-ho-homunists eat babies makes one seriously wonder: what else does this woman believe in?

    And you've gotta marvel at that immortal line of Jill, where she defends publication of this "Sweet and Sour" story (in the comment section of the article [cough!]): "And that last photo in particular looks real."

    Jill, you leave me no choice: I'll have to doctor a photo of yours with your head up your arse and make sure "it looks real"...

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  34. well, gert - you WOULDN'T understand me - i'm a woman and you've probably never had to deal with too many of my kind.

    i am the easiest person in the world to understand and unlike you, it's not necessary for me to be so verbose.

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  35. gert - you call killing a million babies a year "stablising" - they killed all the wrong babies and let YOU live?

    well, butter my butt and call me muffin...

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  36. Gert, did Jill Stanek vote in favor of infanticide? Not sure why you care about her, seeing is she's not running for president. Why don't you try to defend Obama voting against the Born Alive bills? Seriosly, there is no other debate but what side of his voting record you want to take.

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  37. gert - are you even a u.s. citizen?

    seems to me you'd be better off worrying about where your next serving of "bangers and mash" are coming from, no?

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  38. Gert -- so even if you want to take lower numbers and say 20 million the same argument applies. Abortion is ALWAYS going to be about convenience and will never be only as a last resort. Convenience killing that Obama supports every which way you can slice it. Obama NEVER met a piece of pro-abortion legislation that he didn't love and vote for. I guess since Obama's jollies come from the back of a limo then there's no worries about abortion since there's no possibility of a pregnancy. I guess he did learn something from John Edwards. You're not a limo driver are ya?

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  39. I love to watch Hurdy Gurdy Blowbama supporting libtards twist and turn trying to justify the killing of newborns... like what Jill Stanek may or may not believe is somehow relevant or even close to being the moral equivalent of throwing live preemies out with the rest of the used syringes, adult diapers and general disposable hospital medical waste.

    Pathetic! Try taking your odious morally repugnant head out of your ass every once and a while, Gert. You'll discover that not everyone is so anally self-obsessed as Obama and we are sick of listening to his self-anointed 'my shit don't stink' apologists spin the daily news in an increasingly failed and desperate progressive attempt to win the next election.

    Nobody's buying this bait and switch shit anymore. Pelosi and Reid squandered and destroyed the "change" message. Obama's election chances are toast.

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  40. good! gravel-gerty-girl has finally gone to sleep!

    *:]

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  41. z - they're big, ugly sausages - the kind gerty-girl loves!

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  42. Seems Gert's a bit BEHIND here. Must be dreaming of "ugly sausages."

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  43. I'm not roman catholic, so it's no skin off my nose, if you were trying to insult me.
    A lot of people were trying to survive during those days, and/or protect their families.
    BUT, there were many who also stood up and spoke against hitler.
    mergaret sanger did not, she was admired by hitler.
    Oh, and she was a racist too, which also fit into hitler's insanity.
    And you wonder why hitler's vanguard surrounded themselves with such handsome young men...including hitler himself...you'd think eva was just scenery...
    Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!

    tmw

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  44. I see that on this blog, as always when the maggots come out of the woodwork, the level of debate really rises - lol.

    Well piglets, enjoy rolling in the mud...

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  45. just as soon as you get out of the puddle!

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  46. It's not our fault that abortion clinics are convenience stores for the empty headed. What proof do you have that the large majority of abortions are not for convenience and have NOTHING to do with being the last resort?

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  47. papa frank - it's statistics like 98% % of abortions are for the convenience of the mother and have nothing to do with incest, rape or the health of the mother that bother Gert

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  48. or the father unwilling to pay child support

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  49. Gert,

    A live-birth abortion is infanticide, of course.

    So, when Barack Hussein Obama opposes a ban on live-birth abortions / infanticide, then it's not a smear to say Barack Obama supports infanticide.

    The trouble is that the pro-life movement constantly tries to associate the worst possible practice with abortions that can be perfectly justified.

    I await your definition of a perfectly justified abortion, Dr. Mengele. Also include a short note on why killing the child in the womb is preferable to cutting the child out of the womb and abandoning them to die.

    That's why this incident is an attempt at smearing: although Obama's position on abortion is a nuanced one which takes both sides of the argument into account, the smearers simply associate him with something that is indeed horrific. That's reductionist and it's done simply to try and lose him voters, not to shed some light on the matter. If your pro-life arguments held more water, you wouldn't have to resort to that kind of tactics...

    Oh, we wouldn't want to make baby killers look bad, now would we?

    It also remains to be seen whether the account presented by nurse whatshername is a true account or whether it's been jazzed up a bit. The way she presents the case, I have serious difficulty believing that this is somehow representative of the US context.

    I'm open to hear the other side of the case. Barack Hussein Obama opposed the ban on infanticide / live-birth abortion because he felt such a ban infringed upon the amorphous "right to abort" concept. His argument is "don't restrict the ways we can kill babies."

    Period.

    He's a supporter of infanticide.

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  50. Maybe we should ask the Roman Catholic Nazi Joe Biden how he feels about Barack Hussein Obama's vanguard fight to keep infanticide legal in Illinois.

    Of course, we should also ask Joe Biden if he still feels the Presidency is not an office that lends itself to "on-the-job training" for inexperienced hacks like Obama.

    And then, we should ask Barack Obama if his selection of Joe Biden to shore up his ticket's utter lack of foreign policy depth (Biden having voted to authorize the war in Iraq) is a tacit admission that he's been dead wrong for 5 years.

    And then, we should pummel Obama on the infanticide issue some more.

    And then John McCain should ask Obama how he allegedly voted to pass the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Act in 2002, when Obama was still in the Illinois state legislature defending infanticide?

    And then we should get Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd on all the Sunday news talk shows to explain what Obama meant when the Obamessiah Himself was claiming to be that committee's chairman.

    And then, we should ask Joe Biden about his work on behalf of credit card companies in making bankruptcy harder to file for, and how this represents the "hope and change we've been waiting for."

    And then we should nail on the infanticide stuff some more.

    And then we should ask Obama why as Chairman of the Banking committee (hehehe) he let Biden pitch this legislation?

    At least until we get bored.

    As fun as it is to stomp the shit out of leftists in election after election, it sure would be nice if it were logically possible for a leftist to present an intellectual challenge at least once in a while.

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  51. MZ-Off topic, could you tell me what dates, 3 Elul and 10 Elul, will fall on this year?
    I don't know why, but they have come up ad I'm curious.
    Thanks ahead of time!
    Good morning, G*D bles and Maranatha!

    tmw

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  52. gert's toe shoes must've been strung a little too tight - poor little gal.

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  53. tmw - here's a great jewish calendar site.

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  54. as always when the maggots come out of the woodwork, the level of debate really rises

    At least we all know who the maggot is... maggot!

    Eat much Obama shit, maggot?

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  55. I think you overstate the importance of the abortion issue. Moral issues tend to come to the forefront more during times of economic prosperity but the state of the U.S. economy leaves only groups like Focus on the Family voting based on issues like abortion and gay marriage.

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  56. David, abortion alone won't decide an election, but Americans do vote valuues at least as strongly as they vote economy. Many who see the abortion issue as critical also are anti-socialist and are interested in abolishing impediments to the economy such as taxes and excessive regulation.

    We are a very complicated people, more religious than other western nationsm, and do not see materialism as a function of the government. We often see decadence in society as central in our voting, and a big part of why things go wrong. I'm not rich, but I vote first and foremost based on the make-up of the Surpeme Court.

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  57. I'm with Madze on the Supreme Court importance. Presidents come and go but Justices seem to live forever. And as we were only one SCJ away from them coming after our guns I'd say this is an incredibly important election. One that Obama is trying very hard to give away. I only hope he succeeds.

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  58. MZ,

    I do agree that many of the more conservative voters who disagree with Obama economically hold very strong pro-life views. However, this demographic would have never voted for him anyways.

    Abortion isn't an issue I give much weight to in elections but Obama's stance coincides with my own. He feels that abortion is immoral and wrong but that the harmful consequences of outlawing abortion outweigh the benefits. Perhaps the most telling evidence I have seen towards this end is in Nicaragua, where President Daniel Ortega outlawed abortion. In the months that followed, pregnancy-related injuries stemming from back-alley abortions increased dramatically, leading to the deaths of mothers.

    Abortion will occur in any society. The way we decrease its prevalence is by providing aid to pregnant mothers, thereby making abortion unnecessary.

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  59. He feels that abortion is immoral and wrong but that the harmful consequences of outlawing abortion outweigh the benefits.

    No he doesn't.

    Abortion will occur in any society. The way we decrease its prevalence is by providing aid to pregnant mothers, thereby making abortion unnecessary

    Wow. That certainly ISN'T what happened in America. The more welfare became available, the more unmarried mothers started getting abortions. It peaked at over 1.6 million a year...

    The cure for abortion is MARRIAGE, not welfare.

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